Who will you be supporting in the U.S. presidential election with our Catholic values in mind?

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Aquinas11 said:
Ok so Church teaching now supersedes Holy Scripture.
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It supersedes everyone having their own individual interpretation of Scripture, which is particularly problematic when one tries and applies Mosaic Law where it does not apply.
 
Moosebreathh said:
So much has been written why God choose Donald Trump
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Permissive will. I don’t believe God chose Caesar Augustus or Donald Trump in the sense that God chose Moses or Ruth or David.
Annie said:
@Fauken

An interesting video about encounter with Catholic who, in 1980s, prophesied Trump pr…
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Yes, well, there are pundits who have quipped that HL Mencken prophesied his election, too. I prefer a narrower view of prophesy than that.
 
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PetraG said:
Yes, well, there are pundits who have quipped that HL Mencken prophesied his election, too. I prefer a narrower view of prophesy than that.
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Oh, I listened again to the video–it has been a while–and he predicted that Trump would lead us back to God. (Starts at about the 5:30 mark)

So maybe all those people tearing their hair out over Trump will be forced to turn back to God 😉
 
Annie said:
So maybe all those people tearing their hair out over Trump will be forced to turn back to God 😉
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I’d rather see him converted from his habit of attacking people and self-aggrandizing by making things up out of whole cloth, but sending the complacent to our knees works, too, I guess.
I could tolerate some amateurism, if necessary, but I know who the Father of Lies is. The Holy Spirit would not send someone so fond of obvious falsehoods to be God’s prophet. It is not possible.
 
Gid chooses surprising people. Look at St. Paul: which would have thought, when he was persecuting Christian’s, that he would become an apostle and martyr?
 
One can only hope for the best and not despair of anyone, in this life or the next.
 
PetraG said:
Permissive will. I don’t believe God chose Caesar Augustus or Donald Trump in the sense that God chose Moses or Ruth or David.
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Well prophetic people have a different view of how spirituality functions.
Saint Paul said 1cor:12. I would not have you ignorant of spiritual gifts.and he was talking about the 9 spiritual gifts later described.
 
Aquinas11 said:
Ok so Church teaching now supersedes Holy Scripture. Wher
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Church teaching supersedes your personal interpretation of Scripture, yes. We are not Protestants. Pope Francis ordered a revision to the Catechism to make it clear that Catholics are to consider the death penalty “inadmissible”.

www.ncregister.com

Pope Francis Changes Catechism to Say Death Penalty ‘Inadmissible’

In an explanatory letter to bishops, CDF prefect Cardinal Ladaria states the change is an ‘authentic development of doctrine,’ building on the teaching of Pope St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI.
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Whoever the Democrats nominate. I have absolutely no intention of voting for tRump. And voting a third party is a vote for tRump IMHO!
 
Divine3 said:
I also think Catholics who choose not to vote are un American, indifferent and have no right to complain regarding who gets in…indifference is the open path to the evils that choke our Nation.
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Alternatively, they may feel there are no good options they are willing to tie their name to. Deciding not to vote in an election doesn’t necessarily make one indifferent.

Being indifferent would be not voting because you couldn’t be bothered to show up at the polls.

One can easily argue that always voting for the “lesser of two evils” leads to terrible candidates, because the only qualification is that they aren’t in the other party. See Trump, or any of the batshit crazy lefties running for the Dem nomination right now.

If voters held their elected representatives to certain standards and refused to vote for those who violated them, we wouldn’t repeatedly have the worst candidates possible running for election all the time.
 
farronwolf said:
What President has ever stopped an abortion or ever performed an abortion?

Umm, none.
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Just ones who vote to let babies die on the table and actively pursue and promote the passing of laws to increase the number of abortions in this country. NBD.

Just because one does not swing the sword directly, does not mean one is not culpable.
 
thrasher59 said:
“I’ve stuck to my middle-of-the-road position on abortion for more than 30 years. I still vote against partial birth abortion and federal funding, and I’d like to make it easier for scared young mothers to choose not to have an abortion, but I will also vote against a constitutional amendment that strips a woman of her right to make her own choice,” he wrote.
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Yet now he has dropped all pretense of this “middle of the road” position and has called to repeal the Hyde amendment because he is panicking and desperately trying to appeal to the liberal base of his party. Democrats, as a party, have moved so far left on abortion that supporting the Hyde amendment is considered unacceptable. As with every other social issue the party champions, one cannot simply allow abortion to exist, one must actively fund and promote it.

Joe Biden would sell his soul to become president, and has actively signaled his will to do so.
 
The first thing to do when one wants to get rid of certain undesirable people is to frame them as less than human. Then, it’s easy to kill, enslave, or torture millions. Happens every. single. time. Across all of history.
 
The more votes a third party like that gets, the stronger that party gets. Also it will eventually cause change in the two main parties as they court the votes they lost.
 
You can oppose both, you know.

If you can’t see the humanity in immigrant children, how can you see the humanity of the unborn?

What kind of Sophie’s choice is that? Let’s separate children from their parents and put them in baby jail because we’re prolife?
 
No Republican is being permitted to primary.

There are 3 challengers.
 
I think it is a bit disingenuous to be throwing around the “but the death penalty” card. Comparatively yesterday in the history of the church, a currently living Pope said this:
Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
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The current Pope’s revision is frankly conditional, not an absolute judgement. He has applied his own prudential judgment to the church. It can easily be rescinded by another Pope. Therefore it is not a development in doctrine.
 
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