Why do people on CAF seem to think liberals are evil?

[gracepoole]

Aside from the fact that the democrat base supports all of the non-negitables

There are more non-negotiable issues than those listed in Deal Hudson’s little pamphlet.

 

[Thom18]

What response do you want from me? I read what you had to say. Now I wanted to ask a question. I understand why you think the Democratic party is hostile towards Christians.

I’m not answering it because it’s totally unrelated to the OP.

 

[po18guy]

First, there is Catholic and then there are all the others. Catholicism is a seamless garment. We are called by God to believe all of it or none of it. He grants the free will to do so. We cannot pick and choose, unless we want God to pick and choose from among us!

As well, we have raised a generation which is is good with “hate speech” when my generation always had “stick and stones may break my bones…” Huge, almost insurmountable difference.

Thus, when one’s viewpoint is called into question, it can seem like a personal attack. Now, it may or may not be, but we must address ideas and not persons. Trust me if you can - there is enough mud-slinging going both ways. You only feel that which is coming at you - your thread title as an example.

Rather, if we focus on Christ as our Savior, and interact in a mature manner regarding how to address spiritual, societal and political problems, it will go much better for all of us. it is an exercise of the greatest of the theological virtues:

Love.

 

[anon10271182]

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[DisorientingSneeze]

Easily. Are you white? Male? Straight?

All this time I have incorrectly assumed identity politics was when someone clings to a political identity (and subsequently starts using more derogatory terms for the percieved other side.)

I wonder in how many conversations I’ve used the phrase incorrectly. Thanks for keeping after me until I figured it out friendly stranger!

 

[Jump4Joy]

Okay. Don’t answer. Stop thinking I somehow ignored you. I read your post.

 

[twf]

Here in British Columbia, Canada, the provincial Liberal Party is right of centre and the closest thing we have to a Conservative party. Federally in Canada the Liberals are left of centre… it’s confusing because many who vote Liberal provincially vote Conservative federally.

 

[anon10271182]

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[Alex337]

No worries

From my understanding “identity politics” is the term used by people objecting to folks identifying themselves as a member of a minority, it’s viewed as not individualistic enough. But it’s also a way to fight for rights for that minority and address the specific needs of that group.

 

[Alex337]

I kind of wish the parties had names that demonstrated what they were sometimes, it would keep things a bit less confusing.

 

[Thom18]

You didn’t address my answer and went on to a totally different subject- so, yes, I believe you ignored me. Maybe I just expect someone to keep on the subject if they’ve considered my response?

 

[Jump4Joy]

My response why should any political party show favoritism to any religion? It’s the same subject. You started with how you think the democratic party aligns with areas that are non-negotiables for Christians.

 

[Reuben_J]

I think your OP is wrong on many accounts.

Some news providers are partisan. They are therefore untrustworthy as sources of news regardless of who they are, but as long as the news is fake and biased.

Nobody is deifying Trump. When he is wrong, he is wrong and conversely when he is right as compared to his opponents, we have to choose what is right. Abortion is wrong, for example. We cannot endorse a political party or Presidential candidate that condones abortion.

Those issues mentioned are not necessary religious issues but as Catholics we can make a stand on them when they are in conflict with our belief. Not all are straight forward cases though.

Catholics are free to vote according to their conscience.

 

[Jump4Joy]

FoxNews is not partisan? What are some unbiased news sources since people think CNN is biased?

 

[guanophore]

Is there something I do not understand?

Of course! Don’t we all?

People on here seem to act like the conservative party is in perfect observance of Catholic issues or social teachings.

Some of them do, yes, but this is not the case, especially with regard to social teachings. The thing is that Trump and the Republicans have done more for the Christian cause than has been done in 10 years.

Apparently, CNN is biased but FoxNews is not?

CNN, NBC, and especially PBS are all biased toward democratic party platforms. FOX is biased toward republican platform values.

I don’t understand the deifying of Donald Trump here.

It is an overcompensation.

Apparently, he can do no wrong to some people or to other people is a horrendous person.

He is a horrendous person, but he has done some very good things for Christianity and the Catholic faith.

Apparently, if a Catholic doesn’t vote Republican, align with the conservative party or is not a huge supporter of Donald Trump, I voted contrary to church teaching.

This is false.

Because liberals…

A good demonstration of the labeling and partisan politics that exist here!

Then they try to lump - those who aren’t liberals - into one group.

As if “liberals” could be lumped!

Part of me genuinely wants to understand why some posters describe the liberal party as evil. I don’t understand.

You are trying to apply logic to something that is not. Prejudice and bigotry are not logical.

After reading posts on here, strongly endorsing Donald Trump and I keep wondering why I don’t seem to feel/see him in the same positive like that others.

Perhaps you trust what you see, hear and read more than the hype?

Are we watching the same news sources?

Most likely not. People tend to listen to news from sources with which they agree.

Am I a bad Catholic if I don’t feel that way towards him?

Am I a bad Catholic if I don’t feel that way towards him?

No. Feelings don’t make you a good or bad Catholic. Actions do.

 

[Socrates92]

And their uncles too.

 

[Reuben_J]

Each news provider has to be assessed on their credibility. Before this we know that some of them had admitted falsifying news so obviously that would affect their credibility. It does not matter who they are. I do not think right and fair thinking Catholics will choose one over the other but rather on the accuracy of the news itself.

If their reporting is more like fulfilling their agenda, then I don’t think we can trust them.

 

[Socrates92]

Some of us unholy conservatives do though, just to mix things up once in a while.

 

[guanophore]

As is flipflopping constantly on those very points?

He just looks like a creepy demagogue.

Trump is one of the most valueless presidents we have every had. He stated clearly during the campaign that he believed “greed” was a value. Although many presidents/candidates may have been greedy, none of them ever put this forward as a virtue. He will play to whatever faction will give him what he wants. We are fortunate that those with more Christian values have the upper hand at the moment.

But describing a political party as evil? It doesn’t make sense.

The values that form the platform of the party contain evils.

If I feel like people use the bible to manipulate votes. I don’t think any political party honestly aligns with Christ.

You are right, of course.

I mean people’s opinions seem to suggest if you aren’t conservative, you aren’t a true Christian/believer.

This is a falsehood. What distinguishes a true Christian is the teaching of Christ. It has nothing to do with American Political party affiliation.

If people are telling me I could be condemned for the way I vote, I think it’s natural that I question perhaps why. Wouldn’t you?

You will be condemned if you rebel against Jesus and His Church. You will be condemned if you fail to follow your conscience.

If people are …describing a political party I align with as evil and Satanic.

Do not concern yourself with anyone’s opinion but Jesus.

 

[anon10271182]

American Independent, moi. Wish they’d join with a few others, like the Constitution Party (used to be one ?). Paleoconservatism is too divided.