Why is the Catholic Church hated so much?

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JustaServant said:
13 “Enter through the Fundamentalist gate. For wide is the Catholic gate and broad is the Catholic road that leads to destruction, and many Catholics enter through it.
14 But small is the** Fundamentalist gate and narrow the fundamentalist **road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Spoken in Yosemite Sam speak:
Saaaaaay, yore plum right rabbit! That’s 'zacly what is sez!!
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listen to the very last audio on the link I gave by Brown. He says “catholic” in the same manner your jokingly wrote above. Only he means it. It’s when he said I don’t believe Muslims will get to heaven no more than a goose in a whirlwind. One person stood up, started quietly walking out and Brown calls out go ahead and leave now that we see what being a Catholic is like…something to that effect.
 
I’m not TEACHING anything. I am using Scripture to make a point. If you don’t rely on Scripture alone, that’s fine with me. I won’t call you a Sola Scriptura hater. I am on this site because the original question, “Why is the Catholic Church hated so much?”, piqued my interest. Especially since I was born and raised in the Catholic church. I now study Catholicism, I visit Catholic sites frequently, I watch EWTN, I read books written by Catholics, I read the newspapers with stories about Catholic priests/bishops/cardinals, I read about Pope Benedict wanting a one-world financial and political government, I have read the “New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism”, I read the Catholic tenets and I look back on my life as a Catholic (gradaes 1 - 12 AND 2 years of nursing school…I am a man, not a woman) and I see things that I don’t agree with.
On October 18, 2009 I was struck down in my living room and acknowledged Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior. Since that time I have read the Bible EVERY day (I can’t put it down!!) and I’ve learned of God’s unmerrited grace, the cleansing power of my sin because of Jesus’ blood, and I know that by faith I am saved through grace!! I truly don’t hate anyone, but I do want to share Christ in the way He commands in Matthew 28:16-20.
 
newcreation2009 said:
Nope, I’m saying that when you investigate who(which GROUP of people) translated and how the translation was accomplished, then you can make an educated decision on which Bible is closest to the original documents.

Blessings,
Tim
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How do you know you are right in your decision. Don’t you know all the other protestants are doing the same thing. Studying scripture, trying to know which is closest to the original documents so they can know what the scripture means and yet they come up with a different Bible version and a different interpretation than you, than each other. That makes no sense. Why would God even do that to us. He wouldn’t. Protesting has done it. Total confusion.
 
newcreation2009 said:
I’m not TEACHING anything. I am using Scripture to make a point. If you don’t rely on Scripture alone, that’s fine with me. I won’t call you a Sola Scriptura hater. I am on this site because the original question, “Why is the Catholic Church hated so much?”, piqued my interest. Especially since I was born and raised in the Catholic church. I now study Catholicism, I visit Catholic sites frequently, I watch EWTN, I read books written by Catholics, I read the newspapers with stories about Catholic priests/bishops/cardinals, I read about Pope Benedict wanting a one-world financial and political government, I have read the “New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism”, I read the Catholic tenets and I look back on my life as a Catholic (gradaes 1 - 12 AND 2 years of nursing school…I am a man, not a woman) and I see things that I don’t agree with.
On October 18, 2009 I was struck down in my living room and acknowledged Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior. Since that time I have read the Bible EVERY day (I can’t put it down!!) and I’ve learned of God’s unmerrited grace, the cleansing power of my sin because of Jesus’ blood, and I know that by faith I am saved through grace!! I truly don’t hate anyone, but I do want to share Christ in the way He commands in Matthew 28:16-20.
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It wasn’t the Pope who wanted a one world financial and political government. It was a suggestion by the Council for Justice and Peace. The news media said it was the Pope and it wasn’t a government it was a banking system.
 
newcreation2009 said:
I’m not TEACHING anything. I am using Scripture to make a point. If you don’t rely on Scripture alone, that’s fine with me. I won’t call you a Sola Scriptura hater. I am on this site because the original question, “Why is the Catholic Church hated so much?”, piqued my interest. Especially since I was born and raised in the Catholic church. I now study Catholicism, I visit Catholic sites frequently, I watch EWTN, I read books written by Catholics, I read the newspapers with stories about Catholic priests/bishops/cardinals, I read about Pope Benedict wanting a one-world financial and political government, I have read the “New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism”, I read the Catholic tenets and I look back on my life as a Catholic (gradaes 1 - 12 AND 2 years of nursing school…I am a man, not a woman) and I see things that I don’t agree with.
On October 18, 2009 I was struck down in my living room and acknowledged Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior. Since that time I have read the Bible EVERY day (I can’t put it down!!) and I’ve learned of God’s unmerrited grace, the cleansing power of my sin because of Jesus’ blood, and I know that by faith I am saved through grace!! I truly don’t hate anyone, but I do want to share Christ in the way He commands in Matthew 28:16-20.
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No offense brotehr, but you need to clean the wax out of your ears, because you’re not listening well enough to learn. You’ve managed to twist most Catholic beliefs you’ve tried to regurgitate. I feel your embarrassment coming once you realize this fact. I’ve studied the bible since I was 14 years old and couldn’t put it down either. Only I started then as Catholic, left the Church with similar beliefs as you, then realized just how twisted what I rationalized and began studying salvation history as a whole to see who the first Christians really were. I figured out that some of my thinking was just not right. I misinterpreted much of what I read, even though I believed what my congregation believed as well. It was time that brought me to my senses. Real life experiences combined with logical reasoning that actually made sense without some fundamentalist extremist shoving isolated scripture down our throats.

I’m 50 now, use Greek and Hebrew lexicons in my day and used to have a huge library of helpful books to understand difficult passages. I saw most of them contradicted each other, thought all bible only. So I threw them out, rejecting them like it was a “sacred tradition” teaching that I confused with “man made tradition”. It dawned on me that my own congregation has traditions of their own, including their own magisterium. They just don’t use those words. They invented the term “necessary inference”. meaning that we know that can’t be what Jesus said, so this is what he must have meant.
 
JustaServant said:
13 “Enter through the Fundamentalist gate. For wide is the Catholic gate and broad is the Catholic road that leads to destruction, and many Catholics enter through it.
14 But small is the** Fundamentalist gate and narrow the fundamentalist **road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Spoken in Yosemite Sam speak:
Saaaaaay, yore plum right rabbit! That’s 'zacly what is sez!!
😃
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So you think that’s funny? Hmmm.
Revelation 22:18, 19
Jesus said, " I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this SCROLL: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this SCROLL of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
 
Marybeloved said:
I have come across this general sentiment of hostility from a variety of people- I’m sure that every Catholic must have. Now I know that there are as many reasons and angles to this as there are groups of people out there.
Please share charitably. Why? 🤷
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As I’ve experienced it, most the people I’ve met who are hostile to the Church are 1) poorly educated, or 2) have had a negative personal experience with Catholicism, 3) some of the values they prioritise contrast sharply with the Church’s 4) it’s the fault of some missteps from the Church or individual Catholics.
 
JustaServant said:
A little sarcastic maybe, but it illustrates the fallacy of “sola scriptura”.
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You really should listen to that debate. It’s a Church of Christ preacher debating a Catholic priest. The preacher calls the priest, not reverend, but Doctor. I find it humorous because I understand the preacher’s position having come from the same vine. "call no man father, for your father is in heaven. That same passage also says not to call any man Rabbi, even though they called Jesus Rabbi. What does Rabbi translate to? … Teacher… Doctor means teacher.

So, by addressing the priest as Doctor, he was committing the same sin he was trying to avoid. That’s what’s funny about it.
 
Ruth_Catherine said:
How do you know you are right in your decision. Don’t you know all the other protestants are doing the same thing. Studying scripture, trying to know which is closest to the original documents so they can know what the scripture means and yet they come up with a different Bible version and a different interpretation than you, than each other. That makes no sense. Why would God even do that to us. He wouldn’t. Protesting has done it. Total confusion.
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So God wanted the Bible to be ‘translated’ (poorly) into Latin, which few commoners could understand, and to be chained to the pulpit? And our Good and Gracious Father, God wanted priests to NOT face the congregation during Mass? Is that how Jesus taught?
Ruth, so what are Catholics doing? NOT reading the Bible? Is that what Jesus wanted?
Really?
 
newcreation2009 said:
So you think that’s funny? Hmmm.
Revelation 22:18, 19
Jesus said, " I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this SCROLL: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this SCROLL of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
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First, he’s speaking specifically about the book of Revelations, not the entire bible, which didn’t exist during that time. You’re twisting meaning again to fit your own mold. Ah, youth.:rolleyes:
 
NewCreation…remember the Church faced persecution right at its beginning. Seeds were being planted to start new churches…

And people did just like the Jews did…memorize and pass down through the oral tradition of Jesus Christ.

Jesus fed thousands of people.

Why then, didn’t He create Bible books???

The Church survived hundreds of years through the successors of the Apostles and oral tradition. One Bible in a certain period of time took 340 sheepskin. That would be an awful lot of sheep…

You are beginning to come across to me is someone who needs a book in his hand to prove yourself.
 
newcreation2009 said:
So God wanted the Bible to be ‘translated’ (poorly) into Latin, which few commoners could understand, and to be chained to the pulpit? And our Good and Gracious Father, God wanted priests to NOT face the congregation during Mass? Is that how Jesus taught?
Ruth, so what are Catholics doing? NOT reading the Bible? Is that what Jesus wanted?
Really?
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God wanted the Bible translated and understood, of course. That is why beginning in the 7th century the Bible begun being translated into English. Long before Wyclyff came along. Saint Bede was one of the first to start putting the Bible into English and there were others besides him. Don’t believe all the protestant hype about Bibles being chained down so no one could read them.

I see no problem with priests not facing the congregation. Priests have said that not facing the people helps them to concentrate more fully on what they are doing. Leading us into the most important prayer there is, the Mass.

Catholics are reading the Bible. As a matter of fact, on my return to the Catholic church I noticed at Mass there was more Bible reading there at that one place then I had received months combined at the protestant churches I attended. While at the protestant church I mostly received a Bible verse here and there and then a whole sermon. That pastors personal opinion of the Bible verse mind you.

Come to Mass you will hear God’s word from the Old Testament, the Gospels, the Psalms and the Epistles and how they fit together. This is everyday.

Now, really, you can’t get better than that.
 
JustaServant said:
A little sarcastic maybe, but it illustrates the fallacy of “sola scriptura”.
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Well, stop being sarcastic with Scripture and study it instead. I mean, even though you don’t THINK it’s the inerrant, infallable Word of God, that doesn’t mean that it isn’t. How about showing it the respect that it deserves?
 
KathleenGee said:
NewCreation…remember the Church faced persecution right at its beginning. Seeds were being planted to start new churches…

And people did just like the Jews did…memorize and pass down through the oral tradition of Jesus Christ.

Jesus fed thousands of people.

Why then, didn’t He create Bible books???

The Church survived hundreds of years through the successors of the Apostles and oral tradition. One Bible in a certain period of time took 340 sheepskin. That would be an awful lot of sheep…

You are beginning to come across to me is someone who needs a book in his hand to prove yourself.
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I do NEED a book, the Bible, but not to prove ‘myself’, but to proclaim the Word of the Living God. What, does your priest NOT read from the Bible in church to the congregation? Quit trying to be cute.
 
What in the world?..your comments…

Have you even bothered to read the Pope’s document? And that the writing done by the Social Justice Congregation was pulled because it was already being misinterpreted by the American media and fundamentalists?..

Do you just go around looking for any anti-Catholic piece to prove yourself and your way of using the Bible?

The Sacred Word of God is Jesus Christ, freely given to us, to incorporate us into a shared life with Him…Jesus is Truth. Our Liturgy is based on the Word Made Flesh.

If you are going around looking for every rag to read…and the New York Times also gave a very good article on January 3, 2011 on the Vatican…which you should read…

God did not give us the Bible to misread and condemn those we don’t understand.

The Bible should never be used to exalt one’s self.

I wish I was cute.
 
newcreation2009 said:
So God wanted the Bible to be ‘translated’ (poorly) into Latin, which few commoners could understand, and to be chained to the pulpit? And our Good and Gracious Father, God wanted priests to NOT face the congregation during Mass? Is that how Jesus taught?
Ruth, so what are Catholics doing? NOT reading the Bible? Is that what Jesus wanted?
Really?
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In order to understand the ancient world, we have to step out of our comfort zones and walk in their shoes.
Many times that means accepting things our age rejects. Other times we can see how fragile our ‘modern’ society is. Without our gagets and toys, we are no different than they were. Even in parts of the world today family structure is the bedrock of the culture. Things like covenants still exist in what we so arrogantly call the ‘third world’. African and native American tribes had no written language, yet they were steeped in the history of thier culture far more than our so-called ‘enlightened’ society.
I say all this because I suspect you are looking at these ancient people, as I used to, through 21st century western eyes. That is a grave error. Because we are far from being superior.
Not everything was ‘on paper’. It was timely and sometimes expensive to do that. It was a society far more steeped in oral tradition, and that included pagan societies as well. They had great auditory skills in those days. Communication was by listening. Even when something was put on paper. it was read ALOUD. Reading to oneself was unknown.
I would suggest you study history before you try to label yourself an expert.
 
Ruth_Catherine said:
God wanted the Bible translated and understood, of course. That is why beginning in the 7th century the Bible begun being translated into English. Long before Wyclyff came along. Saint Bede was one of the first to start putting the Bible into English and there were others besides him. Don’t believe all the protestant hype about Bibles being chained down so no one could read them.

I see no problem with priests not facing the congregation. Priests have said that not facing the people helps them to concentrate more fully on what they are doing. Leading us into the most important prayer there is, the Mass.

Catholics are reading the Bible. As a matter of fact, on my return to the Catholic church I noticed at Mass there was more Bible reading there at that one place then I had received months combined at the protestant churches I attended. While at the protestant church I mostly received a Bible verse here and there and then a whole sermon. That pastors personal opinion of the Bible verse mind you.

Come to Mass you will hear God’s word from the Old Testament, the Gospels, the Psalms and the Epistles and how they fit together. This is everyday.

Now, really, you can’t get better than that.
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Please read the following Scripture verses:
Romans 6:10;
Hebrews 7:27;
Hebrews 9:12, 26;
Hebrews 10:1 - 10

I was an altar boy and went to Catholic church for 3 decades!! I’ve even attended Catholic funeral services and Christmas Mass recently. I know what’s going on at Mass. But thanks anyway.
 
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