Wisconsin election number, 3.2 million voted out of 3.6 million registered voters

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Each state can’t just make up its own rules on election
Yes they can, and they do. Voter eligibility, how votes are cast, etc. is entirely decided by the states. Federal laws on voting simply set parameters within which states must work (things like prohibiting literacy tests, racial tests, etc.).
 
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Each state can’t just make up its own rules on election
Yes they can, and they do. Voter eligibility, how votes are cast, etc. is entirely decided by the states. Federal laws on voting simply set parameters within which states must work (things like prohibiting literacy tests, racial tests, etc.)
That also will be reviewed by the courts. PA allowed votes to come in days after the election so I am sure that will be challenged.
 
PA allowed votes to come in days after the election so I am sure that will be challenged.
There is nothing novel about that. Many, perhaps even most, states allow mail in votes to be postmarked by election day. NC, for example, allows them to be postmarked by election day as long as they arrive by November 12. FL allows overseas and military ballots to be counted as long as they are postmarked by election day.

If you’re advocating for a federal law that controls voting identically across the country, I would support that.
 
Yes they can, and they do. Voter eligibility, how votes are cast, etc. is entirely decided by the states. Federal laws on voting simply set parameters within which states must work (things like prohibiting literacy tests, racial tests, etc.)
They may be able too, I mean I am not a lawyer but where Pennsylvania may run into trouble is that this may not be statewide. It might have only happened in certain counties, meaning it was not equally distributed per the law.

The Voting commission may have written and passed these rules, that’s what I got from snippets of this on the news.

So, they’ve got Allegheny county or something, the rules need to be applied equally per all counties.

Equal protection of the law, you can not lessen someone’s vote in another part of the state.

Some of PA. might have gotten in effect, preferential treatment, if this happened, you can’t do that.
 
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There were 50 million new voters across the US. Some claim they are college kids but I doubt it.
I specifically addressed your claim here:
Many of the colleges are still on remote so this idea that massive youth came out does not hold.
and asked why it would make a difference if they were in school or not, but I guess you can’t really explain your rational behind the statement.
Me, would you please read the whole thread?
I specifically asked about the rationale of classes being online affecting youth vote and you couldn’t explain it, but then you brought up Georgia here
No is buying it was college kids who were the new 1 million voters in Georgia. Georgia again has not voted for a Democrat president since 1980. It switched and voted one time only for Clinton in 1992.
and explained why I think that it is reasonable that Georgia would have 1 million new voters and you can’t respond to that post so you go to 50 million new voters.

Simply put, you cannot explain the rationale behind your statements or dispute my rationale.
OK here is your whole post…
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College kids tend not to vote to begin with now they are remote, there is less likely that they would have these higher levels.
They are quite motivated and, because they are remote, many are still at home, so it was easier to vote (no requesting an absentee ballot).
No is buying it was college kids who were the new 1 million voters in Georgia. Georgia again has not voted for a Democrat president since 1980. It switched and voted one time only for Clinton in 1992.
Actually, most people are buying it. It is a select few that aren’t buying it with false claims of fraud. For me, it makes sense. Georgia is competitive with 2 Senate races. That will get more people to the polls.
You have been on this thread very little and I have posted your whole post so I will again address this issue of college students. If you think it is college kids because they had easy access to their ballots that made the difference, I tend not to believe that but have not seen any figures on that

And you think there were bigger turn outs because Georgia had Senate races, usually there are governors, senators or representatives also on the ballot each election cycle in most states, so I don’t .see that as any change from prior years.

Again if you look at Massachusett’s history, you can see the percentage of voters tends to be pretty consistent year to year.

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You have been on this thread very little and I have posted your whole post so I will again address this issue of college students. If you think it is college kids because they had easy access to their ballots that made the difference, I tend not to believe that but have not seen any figures on that
No, I do think it is a lot more likely that more college kids voted.
You have stated that.
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And you think that because Georgia had Senate races, usually there are governors or senators or representatives also on the ballot each election cycle, so I don’t .see that as any change from prior years.
These races are normally not competitive, but now that they are, I think that drives more Georgians to vote.
There have always been governors, senator, representatives on the ballot each election cycle so why all of sudden a million new voters.
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Again if you at Massachusetts history, you can see the percentage of voters tends to be pretty consistent year to year.
Because most Massachusetts statewide offices are not competitive.
What do you mean they are not competitive, they are competitive, You have Republicans running against Democrats or there would not be Republican Gov. Charlie Baker. Having senators on the ballot is not going to bring out 1 million new voters in Georgia who have not chosen to vote before.
 
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Meanwhile, in GA the military ballots are being counted. Biden’s lead has increased here to 10,353 (src)

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Different topic, but I am not a fan of this “Winner take all” system that most states do for the electoral votes. I would like to see electoral votes allocated proportionally by how people voted.
 
I would like to see electoral votes allocated proportionally by how people voted.
Few will agree with me, but I’m a big fan of everyone’s vote counting equally. If you live in a smaller state, your vote for president has more significance than if you live in a big state.

I’m not a fan of prioritizing geographical space over population. But that’s just me. And also, off topic!
 
Different topic, but I am not a fan of this “Winner take all” system that most states do for the electoral votes. I would like to see electoral votes allocated proportionally by how people voted.
Military vote in nothing new and there have been no changes. What is of concern in mail-in ballots and are they legal voters or not. We have no indication of who signed all these new voter ballots.
 
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Most, if not all states, require that the envelope be signed and then they check the signature against the registration form. That is why it takes so long for them to be counted.
 
Most, if not all states, require that the envelope be signed and then they check the signature against the registration form. That is why it takes so long for them to be counted.
  • Verify the envelop
  • Open the envelope
  • Unfold the ballot
  • Feed the ballot through the tally machine
Some of these steps sound trivial, but when one considers that this must be done thousands of times, the time needed for every little step gets multiplied by thousands.
 
Most, if not all states, require that the envelope be signed and then they check the signature against the registration form. That is why it takes so long for them to be counted.
Does anyone think the post office or UPS is capable of checking signatures to see who gets the mail. Millions upon millions of ballots went out everywhere and there was no accountability and that is why we are we are today.

It was bad enough when we all went in person to the polls now there will be court cases as there should be in many, many states trying to figure out what ballots are legitimate. This mail in voting has created a major mess and total division in the country again.
 
The states validate the returned ballots. UPS and USPS just deliver things.
 
It was bad enough when we all went in person to the polls now there will be court cases as there should be in many, many states trying to figure out what ballots are legitimate. This mail in voting has created a major mess and total division in the country again.
That’s only one opinion.

I think it rests on the Secretaries of State to maintain proper voting rolls. The problem is people dying and people moving and the elections people aren’t told.

With good voter rolls, mail-in voting becomes much more secure and less prone to random abuse of people returning envelopes sent to their address.
 
Mail In Voting I was reading is indeed, susceptible to fraud, very much so. So much that some developed countries will not use it.

Those wanting to suppress this info, did we see that with the Russia Hoax? With the spectacle of Brett Kavanaugh?

Oh, but now, it’s about “conspiracy”. How the time have changed.

There’s probably a lot more to question here than there ever was in the Russia Hoax.

Russia, Poland, France, Japan, banned or severely limited, for the disabled but they need to be certified.
 
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Mail In Voting I was reading is indeed, susceptible to fraud, very much so. So much that some developed countries will not use it.
So, the ballot is mailed to an address.
Someone fills the ballot out
The voter signs the ballot
A witness signs the ballot
The ballot is mailed in or dropped off
The ballot is opened at the elections place
The elections worker confirms the person hasn’t voted already
The signature is checked against a source, mostly drivers license databases
The vote is counted

What steps are risky? Where can the fraud be perpetrated and not caught?
 
So, the ballot is mailed to an address.
Someone fills the ballot out
The voter signs the ballot
A witness signs the ballot
The ballot is mailed in or dropped off
The ballot is opened at the elections place
The elections worker confirms the person hasn’t voted already
The signature is checked against a source, mostly drivers license databases
The vote is counted
That mean nothing. A witness can tell anyone anything, it is not a valid form of identification.
 
They all are suspicious but there are only so many states that decide this election and these large numbers of voters who have never voted before is questionable.
Are you claiming that every state with high voter turnout and record new voter registration is suspicious
That is exactly what he is claiming from my own reading
There is no authentication to their ballots.
That is a bold claim.
 
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