Would anything make you seriously question the Catholic Church?

[glencor63]

Jesus never said you must be Roman Catholic in order to follow him. Christianity is not confined to the Roman Catholic Church. Where two or more are gathered in his name, Jesus is in their midst.

Matthew 18:20

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

 

[glencor63]

I’ll take that chance because I no longer want to be in union with the Catholic Church.

 

[Raxus]

Jesus never said you must be Roman Catholic in order to follow him.

Jesus never said I shouldn’t bounce my cat Nightshade like a basketball, either, but I don’t do that. Jesus DID obviously make a Church, His Church, and that lineage can be traced directly to him.

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

. . . .

 

[Raxus]

I’ll take that chance because I no longer want to be in union with the Catholic Church.

Why? (Character limit)

 

[glencor63]

This is my decision. I’m at peace with growing spiritually elsewhere. God bless you on your journey!

 

[glencor63]

I am not going to discuss it in detail. I’ll be reported and banned once again for views antithetical to the Catholic Church. Suffice it to say that I’ve lost more spiritually than I gained.

 

[Raxus]

This is my decision. I’m at peace with growing spiritually elsewhere. God bless you on your journey!

Generally you’ll grow most where the light is fullest; otherwise, your wish is only to grow a little. I wish us both a speedy journey back to the Church. God Bless.

 

[Raxus]

I am not going to discuss it in detail. I’ll be reported and banned once again for views antithetical to the Catholic Church. Suffice it to say that I’ve lost more spiritually than I gained.

Ok. You’re always welcome to PM me on it if you like, but no pressure.

 

[Montrose]

I’ll take that chance because I no longer want to be in union with the Catholic Church.

I said it to you because I am sad that you are endangering your immortal soul. That’s not something I would take a chance on.

 

[Polak]

I’ll take that chance because I no longer want to be in union with the Catholic Church.

It sounds like you did seriously question the Catholic Church and took your decision.

I know the question has been asked of you already, so perhaps rather than ask you what made you do it, I could ask if it was one particular issue that did it for you, or lots of different things?

 

[vz71]

The institution lost moral authority.

The church’s authority comes from God.
Not in the morality of men.

Still we place our trust in thes epeople.

That is not how it should be.
We place our trust in God.

 

[Shakuhachi]

We have to face it. Here on Earth that authority was entrusted to men who blew it.

 

[christofirst]

It sounds like I share your views politically. I am heartened and encouraged by those bishops, priests and theologians (including, I believe, Pope Francis) who hold a more progressive and inclusive view, and encourage us, the faithful, to do the same. They are out there, if not always in the majority or the most vocal. They are certainly one part, and often a big part, of what keeps me in the Church.

But I would never let the opinions and behavior of my fellow CAFers drive me out of the Church. Some of us here seem to equate conservatism at any cost with their faith, but that is just their opinion, and not one that I share. I can find plenty in the actual doctrines and teachings of the Church to support my views.

 

[Polak]

Thank you for explaining that.

Just to say, I really don’t see why what you wrote should be reported or flagged. Nothing wrong with giving people your opinion.

I just hope you realise there are just as many Catholic leaders against Trump as there are for him. Also, the most important Catholic leader, in fact the Catholic leader, the Pope, doesn’t seem to be keen on Trump at all.

Also, why would you not appreciate the Catholic leaders who appear to condemn a lot of what Trump has said and done, and focus on the ones who support him?

I know many people on the other side of the political spectrum feel the same was as you, but for the opposite reason. They see so many leaders of the Church praising and promoting Joe Biden, who they feel represents anti-Catholicism at its finest, even though he is supposed to be a Catholic himself.

The Catholic Church seems just as split on this issue as society.

 

[goout]

I’m surprised some are so resistant to thinking about this question!

Aren’t you expecting every other religion to suppose theirs is wrong and to question it?

No. The expectation is for people to acknowledge they believe, see the search for truth as an intrinsic good, and recognize the commonalities. They all lead to God.

 

[Shakuhachi]

So the icing on the cake is that we vote with formed consciences but if we vote a certain way it is mortal sin. So it is really not up to our judgement at all. We really are not competent to make that decision unless it goes a certain way.

There is no room for a spectrum, no middle ground. Either “Pro-life”, pro-gun, protect the border, lower taxes, yadda, yadda or Pro-choice, gun control, immigration reform, yadda, yadda.

No moderation, no compromise, no middle ground.

Nationalism = City of God.

https://wp.lps.org/tnettle/files/2013/12/Liberal-vs-Conservative.pdf

 

[Polak]

The Faustian bargain that so many Catholic leaders made with a racist, White Supremacist ideologue, and White Nationalist sympathizer because he’s “Pro-Life”.

Ok so you believe Trump is a white supremacist. Personally I don’t, but I’m sure it won’t be easy to change your mind. I also don’t believe any of the Catholic leaders who support voting for Trump, believe he is a white supremacist either. If they did, they would not support him.

On that note, you’ll notice that actually very few of them are promoting Trump. Most, on that side of the political aisle, are simply saying that Democrat policies are just not compatible with Catholic Church teaching. While Trump says and does stupid stuff, he isn’t going to try to bring in laws that go against Catholic teachings. That’s what some Catholic clergy are pointing out. They see Trump as the lesser evil.

 

[christofirst]

I don’t buy that narrative. I can read a document like Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship and find plenty in there to support my choices in voting, which almost always lean liberal. And I can find plenty of Church authorities, Cardinals, Bishops and theologians, who also support my decisions. I know that conservatives feel the same way. I think we shouldn’t dismiss the role our intention plays in determining if something is sinful or not.

 

[Shakuhachi]

If we dismiss intention than we are left with actions alone. That is even more directive. No way you could vote “liberal” because of abortion…

 

[glencor63]

This election is the final nail in the coffin of my relationship with the Catholic Church. I have many other objections and concerns. Basically, the unique path that I walk with Jesus has no place in the Catholic Church. It’s a hard path of dissent, debate, non-conformity, and questioning. It’s an unceasing search for Jesus. All the books in the world could not contain him, so no church can rightfully claim to be his keeper.