WSJ: Cohen paid porn star through private LLC created just weeks before election

[ConstantLearner]

Well, I am a deplorable, so I guess that excludes me from the ranks of the “respectable”, and thank God for it.

Well, I’m certainly not singling anyone out. I don’t even know anyone here. I find it hard to believe you approve of all Trump does, though, politically and personally.

 

[Road-Worrier]

Where have I said “I approve of all Trump does”? Where have I even said I approve of his adultery? You’re reading a lot into my comments that just isn’t there. I think Trump has been surprising good as President and that he, as President, as done far more to support Catholic moral teaching than the other candidate would have. He’s done good despite his personal moral failings.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I don’t believe I ever said you, personally, approved of all Trump said and did. I think I said I wasn’t singling any one person out. If you missed that, I’m not singling you, or anyone else, out. Just saying “in general.”

It’s right above you. I said I’m not singling anyone out. I don’t know anyone here. I couldn’t say anyone approves of all he does or not. You seem very measured in your support of him. But your feelings are for you to express, not me. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

 

[Road-Worrier]

I don’t believe I ever said you, personally, approved of all Trump said and did.

This is what you said and what I was responding to.

I find it hard to believe you approve of all Trump does, though, politically and personally.

Who is the “you” you were referring to?

 

[ConstantLearner]

Who is the “you” you were referring to?

“You” in general. I probably should have used “anyone.”

 

[ConstantLearner]

Where have I said “I approve of all Trump does”? Where have I even said I approve of his adultery? You’re reading a lot into my comments that just isn’t there. I think Trump has been surprising good as President and that he, as President, as done far more to support Catholic moral teaching than the other candidate would have. He’s done good despite his personal moral failings.

What’s he done to support Catholic moral teaching other than say he’s pro-life? (Personally, I don’t think he is.)

 

[Ridgerunner]

You must have me confused with someone else. I don’t “enjoy” the prurient, and no one accused Trump of forcing anyone to abort

For not enjoying it, you sure talked about it and speculated about it a lot. And you did, indeed, say Trump would have “pressured” Ms. Daniels to have an abortion. Don’t make these assertions and then deny them.

I believe Trump would have pressured Ms. Daniels to have an abortion

And your opinion of those who support Trump is essentially that we’re not Catholic.

He was, in my opinion, having an affair with Daniels, while Melania was pregnant, and the Catholic Trump supporters seem to have no problem with that

I just don’r see how Catholics can defend Trump and remain true to their religion.

What would have happened if miss Stormy got pregnant?

We only need one guess if we’re being honest with ourselves.

No Trump supporter answered F_<arturana’s question: What do you think would happen had Miss Stormy gotten pregnant?

 

[Road-Worrier]

What’s he done to support Catholic moral teaching other than say he’s pro-life?

Ask the Little Sisters of the Poor. Thank you for demonstrating that Trump supporters are far, far more willing to acknowledge his flaws than his opponents are his virtues.

 

[ConstantLearner]

It was my guess. Considering the fact that he wanted his second wife to abort, and he said that publicly, it only stands to reason he would not want a stripper having a baby when he had a pregnant with. It’s still my guess.

No, I didn’t say you, or anyone else, wasn’t Catholic. I said, I didn’t understand how a Catholic could support Trump given his low moral standards, or lack of any standards at all.

 

[Ridgerunner]

What’s he done to support Catholic moral teaching other than say he’s pro-life? (Personally, I don’t think he is.)

I doubt Trump considers Catholic moral teaching, particularly. He’s not Catholic.

But he did relieve religious organizations from providing abortifacients to their employees under penalty of law. He did reinstate the Mexico City policy. He did appoint Gorsuch, who is widely regarded a prolife.

What more did you require of him before allowing that his policies have been more prolife than the alternative’s would have been? The Dems were and are very much pro-abortion. Even had it in their party platform. When they say they’re for abortion on demand, one ought to believe them.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Thank you for demonstrating that Trump supporters are far, far more willing to acknowledge his flaws than his opponents are his virtues.

You’re welcome!

 

[ConstantLearner]

Yes, I know the Democrats are pro-choice. I feel they do more for the poor and the middle-class, though, and I don’t vote on only one issue.

How many women have chosen to not have an abortion since Trump took office? (And just so you know, I do not like, and did not support, HRC. I don’t care about her email server, I don’t blame her for Libya, but I do not trust her much more than Trump. But she does have experience with government, which Trump does not.)

 

[stinkcat_14]

What more did you require of him before allowing that his policies have been more prolife than the alternative’s would have been? The Dems were and are very much pro-abortion. Even had it in their party platform. When they say they’re for abortion on demand, one ought to believe them.

I don’t believe anyone is saying anything about his policies. The issue is restricted to his morality. The fact that he may or may not have done something good has no bearing on whether his behavior is moral or not. We are not in an election. We are not choosing between the immoral Trump and another immoral candidate. Although even there we have to remember that Trump was not worthy of a vote on his own merits. He was a lessor evil. But that is not the issue now. So whether to criticize Trump for his immorality has nothing to do with immoral activities of others.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Considering the fact that he wanted his second wife to abort, and he said that publicly

No he didn’t say that, publicly or otherwise. I realize you want to make it seem so, but he didn’t say it.

As to Ms. Daniels, you are taking a totally unsupported speculation and extending it to what you like to imagine Trump would “pressure” her to do if she became pregnant. There is not the slightest evidence for any of it. You just enjoy imagining it because you hate Trump and his supporters as well.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The fact that he may or may not have done something good has no bearing on whether his behavior is moral or not

Of course it does.

His personal behavior may or may not be subjectively sinful. His policies may or may not be objectively good or moral.

 

[ConstantLearner]

You really seem to feel you can read minds. LOL I do not “hate” Trump as a person, nor do I hate his supporters. I feel he’s a bad and dangerous president and personally immoral and unlikely to change. I don’t feel he’s qualified to be president, but I don’t hate him. I’ve said I might even like him in a social setting, though I doubt it.

Please read my posts and stop trying to read my mind. You’ve come up with all the wrong things.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I don’t believe anyone is saying anything about his policies. The issue is restricted to his morality. The fact that he may or may not have done something good has no bearing on whether his behavior is moral or not. We are not in an election. We are not choosing between the immoral Trump and another immoral candidate. Although even there we have to remember that Trump was not worthy of a vote on his own merits. He was a lessor evil. But that is not the issue now. So whether to criticize Trump for his immorality has nothing to do with immoral activities of others.

That’s true. I agree. I think you said it well.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Yes, I know the Democrats are pro-choice. I feel they do more for the poor and the middle-class, though, and I don’t vote on only one issue.

Completely aside from the difference in moral weight between killing innocent children and other issues, what have the Dems done to aid the poor and the middle class in the last 30 years? Well, Okay. I’ll admit they instituted “cash for clunkers” which was a subsidy to middle class and wealthy people who could afford new cars. That was, indeed, middle class, though it did deprive the poor of the “clunkers” on which they depend for transportation.

Well, and there was the earned income credit that really did help the working poor. Oops! That was Reagan’s.

Clinton isn’t running.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Of course it does.

His personal behavior may or may not be subjectively sinful. His policies may or may not be objectively good or moral.

Sin is not subjective, it is objective. Committing adultery is sinful. Grabbing women by particular body parts if they are not your spouse is objectively sinful. Boasting about committing sin is sinful. Whatever good he may or may not do does not negate the fact that these things are objectively sinful.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Please read my posts and stop trying to read my mind. You’ve come up with all the wrong things.

Not reading your mind, pardner, just your words. When one engages in hateful speech, it’s not that big a stretch to imagine that hatred is at least part of the motivator. When you opined that Trump would “pressure” a woman into having an abortion without having the slightest reason to think so, it sure looks a lot like hate.