For better or worse, rapidly developed Covid vaccines are on the way. If your bishop were to shortly decree that due to public health concerns....."

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Zaccheus:
But aren’t all medicines ‘chemicals’?
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Looked at a certain way, yes. But vaccines are not medicines.
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Um. What’s the distinction? How is a vaccination not a medical treatment?
 
I look at it like this: I can take my chances with a disease that has unknown long term consequences and has killed 250K people in the US in less than a year

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I can take a chance with a vaccine that has unknown long term consequences.

I’ll take the vaccine. At least if it makes me sick, I am not going to spread that sick to my family, friends or coworkers etc.
 
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Zaccheus said:
Um. What’s the distinction? How is a vaccination not a medical treatment?
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What I said was that it was not a medicine.

But in any case it is not a treatment of a disease or condition at all; it is intended to prevent a disease rather than cure it. Also, the way that it is developed and the mechanism that it uses is fundamentally different from a medicine (or medication if you prefer). Medications are developed from chemical compounds and are intended to interfere with a disease process, or assist the body’s natural processes to overcome an established disease or to alleviate symptoms (e.g. pain or swelling) in order to allow the patient to rest and recover normally. A vaccine, on the other hand, is made of parts of the virus that it is intended to protect against (there are several methods: weakened, killed, parts, etc.) so that the patient’s immune system starts producing antibodies and is sensitized to the way the virus “looks” to the body so it can recognize it quicker and can produce the right antibodies faster if it ever comes in contact with it again, which ideally allows the patient to either fight it off entirely or at least only get a mild case rather than a debilitating or fatal one.
 
So if bishops required this, what I want to know is how they’d know you’d actually complied? That thought is creepier to me than them saying you need to be vaccinated to attend Mass.
 
Since this is kind of on-topic I’ll share this video. It is about a Major Australian airline’s plans to make vaccination mandatory for travel.

 
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TheLittleLady said:
Work on mRNA virus “vax” has been underway for years
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I am so glad this was posted.

Over the past twenty years there has been 4 or 5 viruses that didnt hit as hard as COVID-19. I suspect there might be more COVID-19 events around the corner. Is this mRNA one way to quickly create vaccines?
 
That is true. The concern here is that a vaccine has never before been created for public consumption, so we have no idea of the long-term side effects in a population at large. It’s brand new. And many are worried about how the vaccine actually works, which is cell reprogramming.
 
I would obey my bishop, as I have done for a long time and will continue to do.

Right now, my bishop/the Catholic churches in our state are being held up as an example to other religious orgs with our response to COVID. No case of COVID has been traced back to exposure at a Catholic liturgy in our state.
 
The Church won’t mandate vaccines, the government will. Vaccination will be the new sine qua non of ethical behavior. You won’t be able to fly without one soon.

(At my parish they can’t even enforce the mask rule. We had a family of four sitting there unmasked, intentionally. Which really hacks me off. We cancel our thanksgiving with elderly distant family to help stop the spread, and people can’t wear a mask to Mass.)
 
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Saint Francis is an excellent guide here. He vowed obedience to his Bishop in all things except sin.

Caring for the flock via prudent measures taken to reduce infection of the flock does not strike me as sinful.
 
Zaccheus said:
If the medical profession offers me a vaccine for Covid-19 I will take it. I’m not going to demand that they first spend years proving it works. The need is now.

If my bishop says his priests must be vaccinated I’m not going to argue the matter. I lack the knowledge to judge the bishop’s authority.
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Good answer!
 
Jen7 said:
So if bishops required this, what I want to know is how they’d know you’d actually complied? That thought is creepier to me than them saying you need to be vaccinated to attend Mass.
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Very, very this
 
News item: Biden administration expected to start promoting abortion on Jan 21.

Follow up news item: Concerned laity protest against bishops for expansion of abortion scheduled on Jan 22, in front of the Chancery (where else?)
 
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I’m not one for extreme conspiracy theories, and when I saw the title of this video I thought it was going to be one of those, but…it’s real:
 
I don’t know how this will all play out, but in the US, at least, we still have HIPAA.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
I would much prefer to receive a vaccine not developed in this way, but in the real world, I have to wonder if, in individual cases, the recipient will have much of a choice in the matter. There will be different schools of thought on this, and ultimately, I would welcome a clear statement from Rome, to settle the matter for Catholics (and anyone else who cares to heed what the Church says) throughout the world.
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Brian Kane, the senior director of ethics for the Catholic Health Association of the United States, said Catholics should be aware of the origins of vaccines but added the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not ethically compromised.

“In terms of the moral principles of being concerned about the use of any pharmaceuticals that were developed from aborted fetuses, that is certainly an issue that we all want to be cognizant of and try to avoid their use,” he said. “With that in mind, the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines that are coming out are not even tainted with that moral problem.”

 
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