Former Calif. Speaker Willie Brown Had Affair with, Promoted Career of Senator Kamala Harris

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Tambo said:
And of course some women use sex to marry rich old men also.
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And some women throw themselves at billionaires. This is all hearsay.

Anyway, this is about what Willie Brown has said.
 
Aw shucks, and I thought we were just getting started on denigrating women.
 
Tambo said:
Aw shucks, and I thought we were just getting started on denigrating women.
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Only some women, the women who will not do the schooling and work to get ahead on their own merit.
 
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Victoria33 said:
Have any of these complaints come out to anything in the courts?
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Whether it was successfully prosecuted is beside the point of if it happened. Most sexual assault cases never get a conviction. We have Trump’s own admission that he regularly touched women as he pleased. I will not repeat his phrasing. Regarding his known affairs that led to divorces, there is no question that these took place. They are a matter of record. The man has never pretended not to be a womanizer.

Regarding the “change of topic” we are not. I asked why her affair is any concern with regard to executive office. The reason why sexual affairs are no longer a disqualifier and irrelevant is because neither party has cared when their man was doing the philandering.

Trump was notable because conservatives had been holding the standard on this issue. Now that last line has been eradicated these discussions about candidates’ affairs strike me as prurient and, again, irrelevant.
 
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Regarding the “change of topic” we are not. I asked why her affair is any concern with regard to executive office. The reason why sexual affairs are no longer a disqualifier and irrelevant is because neither party has cared when their man was doing the philandering.
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It doesn’t only for the working woman who bust their backs to get a job promotion. Sleeping one’s way to the top will continue. It’s the oldest game in town.
 
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gam197 said:
Girls have been doing this since the beginning of time. Nothing new here." Date" and get a free car, sure. Get a job, sure. Get a movie role, sure.

Some women work really hard to get job/promotions while others take a different route.
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Sex as transaction is certainly not new. Whether the person is paying or buying, the only thing I am concerned about is did the participants violate legal standards. Kamala Harris may have used sex to curry favor. Was it illegal? If not and if it was consensual, the only objection left is was it immoral or unethical?

Such moral considerations have no more import with regard to the executive office. If Trump could and did sleep with many different women, who were not his wife, then Kamala can sleep with a whole battalion of men, and it’s no difference to me.
 
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Indeed. Most notably by female posters, too, which I admit has left me a bit nonplussed.
 
QContinuum said:
If Trump could and did sleep with many different women, who were not his wife, then Kamala can sleep with a whole battalion of men, and it’s no difference to me.
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If Trump had used his power like Clinton did to get an aide to have sex then that is misuse. If he did a Harvery Weinstein, that to me is the same as Kamala Harris.

It is this exchange of sex for a movie role/job or opposite when a movie mogul says if you sleep with me, you get the movie role.
 
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The fact that Trump had financial power over his partners lends itself to malfeasance. Last I checked, at least 10 women have made complaints against him. None of them will see justice if their accounts are true, his political and financial power ensure that.

But that’s beside the point. Until Trump or Harris are convicted of sexual misconduct that violates law, I don’t care. Religious conservatives especially who dismissed Trump’s womanizing have zero moral ground to stand on to condemn Harris. Besides being hypocritical, it would reek of sexism as well.
 
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QContinuum said:
e fact that Trump had a the financial power over his partners lends itself to malfeasance. Last I checked, at least 10 women have made complaints against him. None of them will see justice if their accounts are true, his political and financial power ensure that.
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Trump did not pressure a women to sleep with him to gain a job.
But that’s beside the point. Until Trump or Harris are convicted of sexual misconduct that violates law, I don’t care.
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For the working women we all know this women. They use their sexually to get ahead. I know you do not see it as an issue but women do take pride in what they can achieve on their own merit and work hard to get those limited job promotions. They want to be Attorney General. They don’t want to have to sleep with the boss to get there.
 
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gam197 said:
Trump did not pressure a women to sleep with him to gain a job.
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So? Harris’ affair appears to be completely consensual from both sides. Has Trump ever pressured anyone ever to have sex for any reason? Or is it only distasteful to pressure a woman to have sex when work is involved?

Trump is on record saying he grabs women indiscriminately. He has multiple women (about a dozen) who’ve accused him of sexual assault. He was great friends once with known sexual addict Bill Clinton. You expect me to ignore that history and focus on Harris’s apparently consensual affair?

It stretches the bounds of credulity when Trump supporters will attack a woman for sexual misconduct.

And again, I don’t care unless there’s something illegal going on. If you think those standards are low, congratulations to the conservatives for establishing them in 2016.

I’m not interested in changing the bar for different candidates.
 
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So? Harris’ affair appears to be completely consensual from both sides. Has Trump ever pressured anyone ever to have sex for any reason? Or is it only distasteful to pressure a woman to have sex when work is involved?
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A consenual affair I am good with . She sleeps with him. He gives her a car, some jewelry an apartment, fine.

There is no exchange of a job or promotion.
 
gam197 said:
For the working women we all know this women
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Indeed. And do we also all know the men who are using them? I will tell you a secret. Ambitious women willing to use sex to get ahead require equally enthusiastic men to engage in sex with them. Are we going to talk about the kinds of rubbish men who do that?
 
gam197 said:
A consenual affair I am good with . She sleeps with him. He gives her a car, some jewelry an apartment, fine.
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Yes, transactional. If both consented without threats or coercion then it’s a nothing burger. Nothing to see here. Irrelevant to the campaign.
 
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Indeed. And do we also all know the men who are using them? I will tell you a secret. Ambitious women willing to use sex to get ahead require equally enthusiastic men to engage in sex with them. Are we going to talk about the kinds of rubbish men who do that?
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Kamala Harris was not used. She used her sexually to get exactly what she wanted, a good job and position.
 
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gam197:
A consenual affair I am good with . She sleeps with him. He gives her a car, some jewelry an apartment, fine.
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Yes, transactional. If both consented without threats or coercion then it’s a nothing burger. Nothing to see here. Irrelevant to the campaign
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No it is not a nothing burger. We just went through this with the metoo movement. Harvey Weinstein had no right to pressure the woman seeking movie roles on their own merit to have sex with them to attin the job. He had no right niether did Matt Lauer. They used their positions to seek sex.

Kamala Harris is the opposite of this. She has used her sexually to seek postitons that should go to other capable woman.
 
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And what is wrong with that? She didn’t grab his member and force him to have sex with her did she? I imagine he was compelled only by his own lust, which he is responsible for. As she is for her own.

Now, Trump certainly has never advanced on a woman and just grabbed her genitals, right?

This discussion has reached a ridiculous point. It’s clear to me you are only condemning sexual affairs if they involve Democrat female candidates.
 
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