Former Calif. Speaker Willie Brown Had Affair with, Promoted Career of Senator Kamala Harris

[QContinuum]

Sounds like everyone wants Pence to be president. He seems to uphold Christian values better than the other three.

Except me. As I made clear, sexual affairs, so long as they don’t break the law, are no concern of mine.

 

[JonNC]

Except me. As I made clear, sexual affairs, so long as they don’t break the law, are no concern of mine.

Gottcha…
Let me clarify that with Biden I was speaking of his pro-abortion stance, since accusations of sexual misconduct are unproven.

 

[gam197]

Little proof of what? That Trump has cheated on his wife, divorced and remarried, has been accused by multiple women of sexual assault, and has stated he grabs women’s genitals is all a matter of record. Your aspersion on my character, notwithstanding, my statements and questions have been straightforward.

Again, what does her consensual, legal sexual affair matter with regards to her qualifications for executive office? No one has answered that question.

Trump was married and did cheat on his wife.

Kamala used her sexuality to gain position.

 

[gam197]

JonNC:

Sounds like everyone wants Pence to be president. He seems to uphold Christian values better than the other three.

Except me. As I made clear, sexual affairs, so long as they don’t break the law, are no concern of mine.

They are a concern and that is why Harvey Weinstein is in prision. He has sex with women of legal ago who consented to that sex. That was never the issue. The issue for him and Matt Lauer and many other males is whether they used their power/position to procure sex from women who were under their employment.

Kamala Harris used her sexually to advance her job resume. So maybe you have no problem with that but many working women do.

 

[gam197]

Enough. Criticize Harris on the grounds of her record, her stance on issues, her stated plans. Do not waste my time trying to undermine her because of what she got up to during an affair. If that’s your angle of attack, all you have is a double standard and a yawn from me.

As I said if she had had the affair and gotten jewelry, a car, a house there would be no problem. It is when as a worker, you take a job away from other workers who vie for those promotions/ those position after they have applied for those position legtimately without sleeping with the boss.

Maybe you see that as not a problem but it is a problem in the workplace and always has been.

 

[OraProNobis333]

There haven’t been any credible claims of assault against Trump. Yet there is literally a video montage of Uncle No Touch aka Joe Biden inappropriately touching/kissing women and even little girls, sniffing and playing with hair, etc. For Trumps many flaws, he at the very least has the gumption to stick to his guns. No one was surprised with Trump. He was exactly as we saw him. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Meanwhile the media continues to portray their liberal candidates as untouchable paragons of virtue and honesty. That is why the right focuses on these articles. Because they show that despite all the preaching we hear about these candidates sanctity, the reality is they are just as corrupt (if not more so) than anyone else.

 

[QContinuum]

e has sex with women of legal ago who consented to that sex. That was never the issue

Indeed? Then why was he sentenced to prison for rape, among other things? Rape is the very definition of non-consensual sex.

 

[gam197]

gam197:

e has sex with women of legal ago who consented to that sex. That was never the issue

Indeed? Then why was he sentenced to prison for rape, among other things? Rape is the very definition of non-consensual sex.

Weinstein was sentence because he used his position as a boss to acquire sex. There may be one rape charge in there but the majority of charges are because he was a movie mogul who sought sex from actresses. These were women of legal age but it does not matter. It matters how the sex was procured.

The sex was part and parcel of getting the role in the movie. Is that abuse, yes it is.

 

[QContinuum]

There haven’t been any credible claims of assault against Trump

You would need to specify what you consider “credible.” Considering one of the accounts of assault came from an ex-wife, another from a Miss USA pageant winner, and others who have gone on record, with details and have even sued him, I find Trump’s charge that all 25 women accusing him are lying. Especially since most are accusing him of behavior he bragged about doing - groping, touching, grabbing.

Here, read their own accounts in their own words.

The 26 Women Who Have Accused Trump of Sexual Misconduct - Business Insider

Now, I tend to believe the accounts against Biden as well. In a normal election year, that kind of behavior would be enough to disqualify him. Still might. But if I am going to go by aggressive forced sexual assault, Trump has got a far worse record.

So, it appears to be a choice between two sexual offenders. My decision is already made in that I am voting against Trump. Just remains to be seen of it’s third party.

 

[QContinuum]

Weinstein was sentence because he used his position as a boss to acquire sex

I don’t want to impugn your character by saying you’re lying. But the entire reason Weinstein was put away was because he pressured, intimidated and raped women with less power. That is not consensual sex.

As this relates to Harris, she has not raped or forced anyone to have sex. In fact, she was younger as you pointed out, was in an inferior position with regard to her lover and was paid with gifts.

You do realize that if their relationship was not consensual but in fact coerced, that would put Harris in the position of being the victim - not the lusty predator you have tried to paint her as.

 

[QContinuum]

What about this woman? Six people corroborate her story. Is that considered not credible? Perhaps this like that rule in the Quran, with rape victims needing four male witnesses. I have no idea what is the standard. But one woman accused Biden of digital penetration recently and I found it credible. Because the woman reported it and detailed it.

Report: Trump sexual assault accuser's story corroborated by six people

Former People writer Natasha Stoynoff's defenders come forward after Donald Trump denied that he had forced himself on her at Mar-a-Lago in 2005

www.cbsnews.com

 

[gam197]

gam197:

Weinstein was sentence because he used his position as a boss to acquire sex

I don’t want to impugn your character by saying you’re lying. But the entire reason Weinstein was put away was because he pressured, intimidated and raped women with less power. That is not consensual sex.

Many of these women consented. He used his power as a boss to intimidate them into having sex. It is that abuse of power that did Weinstein in. He was not going all over Hollywood just raping women. He used his power to have the actress come to his room to sign papers. However once she got there, he would intimidate, saying she would not get the role unless she slept with him.

Some actresses left and did not sleep with him, one being Gwyneth Paltrow. She was young and told boyfiriend Brad Pitt and Brad Pitt went after Weinstein. Most actresses did not have these connections and ended up sleeping with him or losing the role.

 

[QContinuum]

Many of these women consented. He used his power as a boss to intimidate them into having sex

He did not go to jail for the consensual sex acts. He didn’t go to jail for anything not spelled out in criminal law. He went to jail for breaking the law, and that included rape.

Now, kindly explain what law Kamala Harris broke.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Weinstein was sentence because he used his position as a boss to acquire sex. There may be one rape charge in there but the majority of charges are because he was a movie mogul who sought sex from actresses. These were women of legal age but it does not matter. It matters how the sex was procured.

Citation needed. What are a “majority of the charges.” Do you have a source for this, or was this your perception of what happened?

Los Angelos Charges​

One felony count each of forcible rape, forcible oral copulation, sexual penetration by use of force and sexual battery by restraint.

New York Convictions​

guilty of rape in the third degree and a criminal sexual act in the first degree

 

[gam197]

gam197:

Many of these women consented. He used his power as a boss to intimidate them into having sex

He did not go to jail for the consensual sex acts. He didn’t go to jail for anything not spelled out in criminal law. He went to jail for breaking the law, and that included rape.

“Since the initial reporting in 2017, over eighty women[29] have accused Weinstein of sexual harassment, assault or rape. In November 2017, a group of the alleged victims, led by Italian actress Asia Argento, released a list of over a hundred alleged instances of sexual abuse by Weinstein.[30][31] The incidents in the list date from 1980 to 2015 and include eighteen allegations of rape”

Some were rape, sexual assaults, sexual harrassnebt all had to do with getting a role in a movie. Consent is a tricky word if your boss is dangling a job over your head.

Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, Roger Ailes, and so many men who were bosses were taken down/let go for using their position at their workplace to harass women. It is this misuse of power in the workplace that caused the #metoomovement.

 

[QContinuum]

sexual harassment, assault or rape.

This. Is. Illegal. Behavior.

Consent is a tricky word if your boss is dangling a job over your head

That’s why I didn’t call it “consensual” sex – you did. You seem to think that if there’s intimidation or threats made about job loss, but not outright rape, that it’s still consent. That wouldn’t pass muster for Catholic matrimonial consent, why do you call it “consent” in the case of Weinstein’s victims’?

And again, what does any of this have to do with Kamala Harris? She was not the boss in her relationship, she was younger, and he was married. But you have repeatedly made her out to me some vixen commiting felonious sex acts. You don’t seem to have any concerns about whether she was coerced by the person who had more power than she did. Why is that?

Because it sure looks like sexism from my vantage point.

 

[Nepperhan]

Kamala Harris was not used. She used her sexually to get exactly what she wanted, a good job and position.

Isn’t that sexist? No one said that about LBJ, Dan Quayle or John Kerry, all who ‘married well’.

 

[gam197]

hat’s why I didn’t call it “consensual” sex – you did. You seem to think that if there’s intimidation or threats made about job loss, but not outright rape, that it’s still consent. That wouldn’t pass muster for Catholic matrimonial consent, why do you call it “consent” in the case of Weinstein’s victims’?

Prior to the #metoomovement it was not seen as a big deal. Once the word got out with Harvey Weinstein, other women came forward and accused bosses of sexual harrassment, misconduct and many did not go to prison but lost their positions. Did Matt Lauer go to prison, no but he locked his door so female employees could not get out of his office. Did Charlie Rose go to jail, no but he walked around naked in front of female employees.

 

[gam197]

gam197:

Kamala Harris was not used. She used her sexually to get exactly what she wanted, a good job and position.

Isn’t that sexist? No one said that about LBJ, Dan Quayle or John Kerry, all who ‘married well’.

No they married into money. If Kamala Harris had married a very rich man and gained financially that would not be the same.

 

[Nepperhan]

No they married into money. If Kamala Harris had married a very rich man and gained financially that would not be the same.

No, conservatives would be making the same objections.

Roy Cohn mentored Trump but conservatives seem to think that was just fine.