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Bender
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The operating word is “IF”!
It is an irrational desire to propagate our genes. It is built into the biology of every living species. If you believe that God created us with this desire, that is well and good, and it can be respected as your personal belief (shared by many others). But it is irrelevant for the existence of the universe.
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IWantGod
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In other-words the naturalist has no justification.
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lelinator
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I don’t think that the naturalist is looking for justification…just a cause. No justification required.
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Bender
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And does not need one, and does not care about this whole shebang. We are all aware of the universe. We are in the process of investigating its pieces, and laws, intricacies and so on. If you wish to drag God into the conversation, you are urged and expected to bring up evidence for the existence of this “God” and for the assertion that your correctly interpret the attributes of this “God”. For which you have absolutely no evidence.
Biology is what it is. It is blatantly irrational due to the fact that procreation is also irrational. Nature has made us this way, the good old “blind watchmaker”, who have no plans, to desire, no “outcome” in mind… it is just what it is. If you look at the universe you can see that it is without reason, without plan. It is exactly like what a “blind watchmaker” would put together.
But for us, who live and experience all the good and bad things, we GIVE value to the good experiences and try to avoid the bad experiences. As I said, today’s meal will not be sufficient to alleviate the hunger tomorrow, it is was still valuable to live another day.
Of course.
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IWantGod
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That’s is not a reasonable attitude. It does not follow that because somebody doesn’t think they need a justification that therefore they don’t; otherwise people are just doing things…well…just-because.
You can’t just be reasonable when you want to be and then side-step the issue when you know the conclusion leaves you in quandary. Hey, why not just ignore the quandary all together. This isn’t a game, this is real lives we are talking about.
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IWantGod
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That much i agree. Lol
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lelinator
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I wasn’t even aware that there was a quandary. I guess that I need to pay closer attention.
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EndTimes
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Poor poor logic… very poor logic…
unless of course one’s referring to their projection of their very own life…
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Freddy
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You are getting closer the the right answer.Bender:
If we cease to exist, then are existence was pointless and meaningless. Any attempt to apply value to it is purely a subjective activity and doesn’t reflect objective reality.
You previously said that existence for the atheist is meaningless. Now we’ve moved on to ‘existence WAS meaningless’. Which is a lot more accurate. Which means that what gives meaning and value to our lives right now (family for existence) has meaning only as long as we live. Or at least as long as we are remembered.
But in a thousand years? My bit part in this galactic play will have been forgotten. Along with everyone else’s part.
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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Freddy
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In the grand scheme of things, yes. Why does that worry you so much? There wasn’t any meaning or value to anything as far as you are concerned before you came into existence. And that was a very long time indeed. Did something happen to change that on the day you were born?Bender:
You have a subjective preference. That doesn’t mean that his existence or anyone’s existence had any objective value. In other word’s it’s in your head and is not a true reflection of what humanity is really worth. You value it for the pleasure it gives, the psychological utility, but that doesn’t change the fact that if there is no God, purpose, or significance, beyond what we imagine, then our continued existence is objectively meaningless and pointless.
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Cruc3S1gnatus
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Wow I didn’t see anyone demanding that you take part in this thread… relax
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Freddy
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‘You’re an atheist? Then life has no value. It’s all meaningless. There is no point to it all. You are just random pieces of material with no direction. Love and hope and pleasure are just chemical reactions in a piece of wet meat’.IWantGod:
I wasn’t even aware that there was a quandary. I guess that I need to pay closer attention.
Gee. I thought Trump, Brexit, global warming and Australia’s dismal showing at the world cup were causes for genuine concern. Now I find out it’s all meaningless. That’s cheered me up no end! I’m getting a cold one to celebrate.
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poche
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If there is no life after death then why waste your time being good?
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IWantGod
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No i did not. I said the existence of the human race is objectively meaningless and pointless if the atheist is correct…
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IWantGod
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Just because i didn’t exist does not mean that existing has no meaning or value.
Because, if the atheist is correct, there is no true dignity or value in it, just the fantasies in our heads. When did those concepts become less of an issue for you?
Clearly some people don’t really care about that. Perhaps that is ultimately the difference between an atheist and a theist.
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FossilResin
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Wow, is that necessary? It really isn’t. I’ve shared a Catholic view on a Catholic forum. If that bothers you, then it is you who are in the wrong place.
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lelinator
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So it’s just a fantasy in the atheist’s head…so what? The atheist would say the same thing about your God.
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Freddy
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Let’s say that my view is correct. And then let’s say that your conclusion is therefore correct. It still sure seems like to you and me that there are concepts such as value and dignity. It does appear that our lives have some meaning. Perhaps not on a galactic scale but meaning nevertheless.Freddy:
Just because i didn’t exist does not mean that existing has no meaning or value.
Because, if the atheist is correct, there is no true dignity or value in it, just the fantasies in our heads. When did those concepts become less of an issue for you?
Clearly some people don’t really care about that. Perhaps that is ultimately the difference between an atheist and a theist.
So all things being equal, let’s both carry on as we were, each convinced that we are right. Because it really doesn’t make any difference.
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IWantGod
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Accept there is a very real possibility that it isn’t a delusion (at least concerning religious truth) In fact there are very good reasons to believe in it.
The same is not true for the atheist. Even a person taking a leap of faith is more reasonable than a content atheist who believes in something like justice or righteousness or that life has real meaning in the absence of God.
So yes, it is all in their heads if the atheist is correct. Everyone is deluded if metaphysical naturalism is true.
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