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whatevergirl
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“inserting a foley?”
Whaaa…?
Okay, you lost me. I think I’m done here. lol Your entitled to your opinions, Homers.
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Whaaa…?
Okay, you lost me. I think I’m done here. lol Your entitled to your opinions, Homers.
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Homers
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Don’t you know what a foley is? A “foley urinary catheter”…“inserting a foley?”
Whaaa…?
Okay, you lost me. I think I’m done here. lol Your entitled to your opinions, Homers.
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CrackerJackie
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Because I do not view it as an exposition. For ME it is clinical. I have found a doctor I like and trust. There is no ulterior motive, violation, arousal, or anything else untoward happening during the exam. I do not feel as if I am violating my vows, morals, values, devaluing myself or my husband, tempting fate, defying my religious beliefs, the priest, bishop, Cardinal, Pope, Vatican, Church, God, or any other challenge you can drum up. This works for us and millions of others. What you and your wife has works for you and probably millions of others. Can’t that be enough for you?
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LJN21
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I’m sorry I don’t buy that at all. Why does it matter if “other women are aroused”? Unless its your wife that’s aroused why does it matter to you and why is it any of your business?
Unless of course your worried about some doctors pelvic being a treat to you.
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AHapka
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Does that mean an exam of a “sex starved” priest by a female doctor is also inappropriate?
I think our many faithful priests and bishops and cardinals and Popes over the years have proved that it is possible to live a “sex starved” life. Without such a need for sex that a medical exam would cause them to violate their celibacy.
Also, I would think the husband never being at home would be the root of the problem in that marriage, not the sex life (or lack thereof).
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CrackerJackie
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Just curious regarding “Women…have admitted to becoming aroused…” Have you ever become arouse during a hernia or prostate exam? Colonoscopy? I would equate them to a pelvic exam. There is nothing sexual, arousing, or erotic to it! Ewww!
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AHapka
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Come to think of it, I think the best solution here for you and for your wife is for someone to develop androids (like Data on Star Trek) or some other type of machine which would do medical exams on you.
This would prevent any chance of you or your wife ever being violated in a medical procedure.
For example, to insert the above mentioned catheter, the robot could do it. Using the same types of lasers they use at car washes to determine the size of the car so the nozzles know how close to get, the lasers could measure your penis to determine exactly where and how far to put the catheter in for you or any other patient. Same concept for her OB/GYN exam. No danger of her being violated by a male or female. And no exposure of her body to anyone else.
After an exam or procedure, results would then be compared to a known standard in the databanks, and a diagnosis and corrective action would print out at a print station near you.
If you want to avoid any chance of you or your wife being violated by a medical practitioner (straight or otherwise), this is the only way. Or never see one.
This would prevent any chance of you or your wife ever being violated in a medical procedure.
For example, to insert the above mentioned catheter, the robot could do it. Using the same types of lasers they use at car washes to determine the size of the car so the nozzles know how close to get, the lasers could measure your penis to determine exactly where and how far to put the catheter in for you or any other patient. Same concept for her OB/GYN exam. No danger of her being violated by a male or female. And no exposure of her body to anyone else.
After an exam or procedure, results would then be compared to a known standard in the databanks, and a diagnosis and corrective action would print out at a print station near you.
If you want to avoid any chance of you or your wife being violated by a medical practitioner (straight or otherwise), this is the only way. Or never see one.
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whatevergirl
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LOL! We have officially crossed over into absurd-ville.
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LilyM
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Why would you want to let a mechanic look at your car when it’s not broken down? Cars need to be REGULARLY serviced every so many miles (whether they’re running OK between times or not) to PREVENT major problems and breakdown.
By the same token, men and women need regular health check-ups, including things like pap smears and breast exams, prostate exams and the like, even when it’s not an emergency. Because you can be ill in all sorts of ways (including having breast, cervical or prostate cancer) without having any noticeable (to you) symptoms. We all need regular medical checkups, including checking the reproductive system, because they can catch problems early, when they’re still treatable, and prevent serious illness.
Up until about 150 years ago ALL doctors were male - women were not permitted to practice medicine. So ALL women had to see males for ALL their medical problems - including your modest Baptist ancestors. This includes things like gynaecological exams, childbirth (when the doctor obviously needs to see the woman exposed) and the like.
Women, and their menfolk, didn’t have problems with the women doing so. And men didn’t question the modesty or fidelity of their wives when they went to a male gynaecologist, although the women obviously had the option of not seeing a doctor. Neither was there rampant sexual abuse of women by doctors.
What is it about today that makes the morality of the situation any different? A doctor is a doctor is a doctor. Why shouldn’t I worry about my husband getting assaulted by a male doctor? It certainly happens. Or myself getting assaulted by a female doctor? It also certainly happens.
And for the previous poster, who chose the male doctor for gynae exams because he was the best she’d come across - darn tooting I’m going to choose the best available gynaecologist, I owe it to myself and my loved ones to accept no less than the best medical care available. And I wouldn’t care if the best doctor I could find was man, woman or alien.
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sanctamaria17
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As for women being aroused, some of us are very sensitive to the way we are touched in general, even if someone does something seemingly innocent, like poke our sides or something. I think that happens regardless of the gender of the doctor.
If your wife and you are comfortable seeing same sex docs, that’s one thing. But, as this is a morally neutral topic, let’s keep it to opinions only.
And yes, women do rape other women. You don’t need a penis to violate someone, hurt them, or be cruel to them. Like Katie123 said, not to be graphic, a woman’s hands and speculum are enough to cause pain and damage. Assuming that men are sexually depraved and women are only reckless victims is both naive and dangerous. Also, not only have I myself had close calls, I’ve been trained in rape crisis. Rape is about power, control, and the ability to take advantage of someone, because in your head, you think they are property and you have a right to their body. Most of the time, it happens within the family or with someone you know. It’s not the same thing as just thinking someone is attractive.
I have never been assaulted by a doctor or other healthcare professional, male or female. And yes, I take my clothes off.
Also, I struggle off and on with occasional same sex attraction. Because of that, should I just not see any doctor at all, because I find some women attractive in the way that I find some men attractive? Seriously, that doesn’t enter my head at all when getting an exam. My concern is staying healthy so that I don’t have to call my parents and tell them that their oldest child is dying of cancer because they couldn’t catch it early enough because she didn’t see a doctor. Or having something happen where I become infertile, don’t know it, and have to tell my husband why can’t have babies. Or getting heart disease, but not catching it because I didn’t know symptoms could be different in women.
My body is a temple of the Spirit. As a good steward, I must take care of it. That includes seeing a doctor, a good one, regardless of gender.
If your wife and you are comfortable seeing same sex docs, that’s one thing. But, as this is a morally neutral topic, let’s keep it to opinions only.
And yes, women do rape other women. You don’t need a penis to violate someone, hurt them, or be cruel to them. Like Katie123 said, not to be graphic, a woman’s hands and speculum are enough to cause pain and damage. Assuming that men are sexually depraved and women are only reckless victims is both naive and dangerous. Also, not only have I myself had close calls, I’ve been trained in rape crisis. Rape is about power, control, and the ability to take advantage of someone, because in your head, you think they are property and you have a right to their body. Most of the time, it happens within the family or with someone you know. It’s not the same thing as just thinking someone is attractive.
I have never been assaulted by a doctor or other healthcare professional, male or female. And yes, I take my clothes off.
Also, I struggle off and on with occasional same sex attraction. Because of that, should I just not see any doctor at all, because I find some women attractive in the way that I find some men attractive? Seriously, that doesn’t enter my head at all when getting an exam. My concern is staying healthy so that I don’t have to call my parents and tell them that their oldest child is dying of cancer because they couldn’t catch it early enough because she didn’t see a doctor. Or having something happen where I become infertile, don’t know it, and have to tell my husband why can’t have babies. Or getting heart disease, but not catching it because I didn’t know symptoms could be different in women.
My body is a temple of the Spirit. As a good steward, I must take care of it. That includes seeing a doctor, a good one, regardless of gender.
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Marsha_Adams
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Can you prove it? Do you have statistics? No. You’ve already admitted as much.
is it all right for single women to have male ob/gyns?
Should there be laws prohibiting men from being ob/gyns?
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Marsha_Adams
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Progress is impossible in discussion with fanatics and or the insane. This is merely a statement of fact, not a suggestion that Homer falls into either category. Of course, if the shoe fits . . .
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ora_pro_nobis
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Well said, Sanctamaria!
We all have a duty to take care of our bodies, and the sex of the doctor is irrelevant - it’s their competency that is important.
Homers, it’s great that your wife shares your views, but suppose just for a moment that she didn’t. Would you think any less of her if she chose a male doctor? And what about single women? Who should they defer to - their fathers?
We all have a duty to take care of our bodies, and the sex of the doctor is irrelevant - it’s their competency that is important.
Homers, it’s great that your wife shares your views, but suppose just for a moment that she didn’t. Would you think any less of her if she chose a male doctor? And what about single women? Who should they defer to - their fathers?
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Phemie
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If you were married to him and knew what he thought, would you admit that you DIDN’T share his views? And see disgust in his eyes? I wouldn’t.
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sanctamaria17
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Yeah, that would not fly with me! First, my dad and I don’t discuss my medical care. We talk about politics, religion, etc, we don’t discuss my gynecological issues. That’s something I’ve always discussed with my mother. With a doctor, it’s professional and they’ve seen it all before, so I don’t feel any sense of impropriety, unless they do something to prove otherwise. With my dad though, he doesn’t want or need to hear about his twenty-year-old daughter’s period issues or HPV vaxes (yes, I got those, no, I’m not sleeping around, but if my husband made some mistakes or if I ever got raped, I’d want to be protected from something).
Second, I’m living five hours away in a big city and taking on each bit of financial independence I can handle until I’m done with school and completely independent. I’ve always been intelligent, independent, and questioning. And I live in a big city. Nothing phases me anymore. I can take care of myself. I don’t need a male relative or friend guarding me like I’m the Hope Diamond or something. “But you’ll get raped!” Haven’t yet. And men get mugged and threatened with guns. Don’t see them living in fear, not going out without a chaperone.
I think it all comes down to fear. Didn’t Jesus tell us not to live in fear? And if injustice happens, shouldn’t we speak out against it, rather than hide from the world?
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Homers
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Well some women have…, and no, I never have.
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Homers
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This is exactly my point. Whatevergirl partially makes my point. There are some medical procedures that the lay person has no idea what is being done, nor understand the invasiveness of it. For example, what if Whatevergirl was admitted the the hospital, and approached by a male nurse who indicated that were gonna insert a foley, and she would not know how truly invasive this is, and also the implications that follow.“inserting a foley?”
Whaaa…?
Okay, you lost me. I think I’m done here. lol Your entitled to your opinions, Homers.
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whatevergirl
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I am officially leaving absurd-ville, so leave me out of this.
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Homers
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Thanks for the answer. To me, I just don’t understand (I guess), how 2 people who claim to love one another, and to share their lives together isn’t really concerned about who their spouse exposes themselves to, and trying to protect that other person. It’s not about insecurity to me, it’s more about protection and respect for one another.
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LilyM
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Well you aren’t exactly respecting or trusting your spouse by seeing nothing more than a potential rapist in every male gynaecologist she visits - if she, the one who actually sees them, sees merely a good doctor doing a professional job. Or by presuming that she’s getting any sort of sexual gratification out of visiting him - if she says she doesn’t.
Your attitude in fact is telling her that her judgement is wrong and yours was to be preferred, which since it’s her body and she knows her doctor at least as well as you do, is way out of line. It’s way disrespectful to her intelligence and good judgement. And her ability to keep herself safe, for that matter.
Someone who truly loves another doesn’t, in so many words, tell them they’re lacking in judgement and intelligence. Which is what you’re saying to your spouse by not backing her in her judgement of her doctor.
And you CERTAINLY are well and truly disrespecting the doctor - who deserves every possible respect until proven otherwise. Does he deserve no consideration in the matter, since it’s his trustworthiness (and livelihood) at question as much as your wife’s? What would you think if people told their wives to avoid you, since every man is a potential rapist?
Put it this way - I care greatly who I expose myself to. That’s why I would never expose myself to ANY man apart from my husband, my child for breastfeeding, and a doctor or nurse - and to the doctor (where this is an option) only after a few visits, when I’ve had a chance to see that he’s trustworthy. If I honestly didn’t care, I’d expose myself to anyone and everyone.
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