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Was that ever my claim?
Obama says rise of Trump was racist reaction to 'having a black man in the White House', blasts President for birtherism and says the rot set into GOP
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Rubee
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Why woulf that irritate you?
I find myself quite spontaneously and naturally changing my speech patterns (NOT content) to fit the culture I’m currently operating in. It’s a pretty normal thing. In fact, the ONLY time I don’t is when I lack sufficient exposure/immersion to be able to even do it. So you can pretty easily tell where I’m a foreigner and where I’m pretty much
a part of the fabric as soon as I’ve stepped back into it.
Clearly, Obama was a member of two cultures and he was able to change when going from one to the next. I’ve witnessed Trevor Noah doing the same thing when going from a South African audience to an American one. Oprah, too, does that thing that people have joked is “going from talking White to talking Black.” There’s nothing pretentious about this. Anyone who has lived their lives immersed in more than one culture will do this unless they are unusually rigid. It’s not even a conscious decision. It just happens.
Now, if you were complaining about Hillary Clinton doing this, as with that hot sauce thing, that’d be different. But here you’re complaining that Obama talks to AA audiences like hes one of them, and more general audiences in the more formalized fashion of most public or educated people. That complaint is a bit weird to me.
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You wish to make claims of the speech, but instead of actually citing the speech you cite an opinion piece written about it?
Your lack of resources is showing.
I think it is a unifying message to identify those who intend to burn down our constitutional representative republic.
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Peeps
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I can understand and agree with what you have said about adapting to meet culture–although I personally find it hypocritical.
Speaking a different language is one thing–of course people who are not from the U.S. will love the opportunity to speak their heart language when they meet nationals from their home country.
But behaving differently around people who are different from you–I simply have a hard time with that.
I value genuineness.
My dad was an outgoing talker who loved meeting new people. He was a high school dropout (had to–Great Depression–his parents needed his full-time help to keep the farm going) who finished high school in the Army, and he was a farmer and a pipe fitter–in other words, a working class man. He wore jeans and a workshirt all his life, except for the times when he attended church to hear me play piano–and he looked decidely uncomfortable in his very outdated dress suit.
However, my dad also was quite financially-secure–by the time he died, he owned 40 rental properties, and LOVED renting his properties out to people who needed a break.
And he had a lot of money invested in various wealth-building accounts and goods, so he always had plenty of cash.
He was certainly the financial equal of many wealthy people and often talked with them in the course of his work and social activities. When he met other people, he was always the same. He wore his jeans, and often he would change out of a dirty work shirt into a clean one–but not always, if he happened to be out at one of his many favorite restaurants.
He listened more than he talked, he asked for their opinion on various issues (he loved talking politics!) and didn’t share his opinion unless they asked, and he asked people to tell him about their hobbies or their interests.
So…I personally prefer that people be who they really are all the time, adjusting only to the extent that is necessary to be safe and to not offend people. I think it’s strange that people can switch personalities.
Perhaps this is why my husband and I don’t fit in with most Catholics, unless they are converts from Evangelical Protestantism. We were raised Protestant, churched Protestant, socialized Protestant–and we feel totally out-of-place with Catholic culture and have a hard time fitting in.
It bothers me that Pres. Obama tries to fit in with different groups, and then behind their back, denigrates them–“clinging to their guns and religion”. Maybe if he hadn’t been caught saying that, I would be OK with his switcheroo-personality and assume, like many, that he is just fitting in with different groups and that’s a “good thing.”
But I have the feeling that he “fits in”… and then in private shakes off the aura of people that he feels superior to. I am probably wrong about him–perhaps many African Americans have two different “personalities” so that they can fit in with a majority “white” culture. I think that’s sad. I wish we could all be who we really are all the time.
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ThinkingSapien
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Speaking of Obama…
He shared advice for the out-going president.
He shared advice for the out-going president.
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superhancpetram
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Isn’t that what the left loves to do - cause division?
The left are the true racists today just as they always have been. The Democrat Party would like us to forget that it was the Republicans who saved the Union and abolished slavery and Democrats who enacted the Jim Crow laws. I was not surprised when I learned that the British socialist newspaper The Guardian, standard-bearer of British wokeness, actually supported slavery.
This is the entire tactic to spread the “Trump is racist”, “Trump is fascist” narrative. It isn’t what Trump says, it’s what leftist progressives say “he meant”.
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Nepperhan
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Actually, when he gave the speech I criticized his rhetoric on this forum, using direct sources. Later, others seem to agree with my thoughts, that the speech was unduly divisive. No, I don’t lack resources.
However, you quibble around the edges. The issue is what he said.
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Nepperhan
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You extrapolate and make unverified, negative claims about the intentions of others. That’s not unifying and I think you understand that.
You’re just wrong on history and on racism. Check Jonah Goldberg on the history of racism among conservatives. Don’t retread conservative tropes – making inaccurate allegations about the Civil War days is a vapid attempt at scoring points, not discussing issues. Become more familiar with Republican response to the civil rights movement. There is a reason the vast majorities of minorities in this country vote Democratic.
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Zzyzx_Road
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Started with the guy who labeled us “bitter clingers” followed by the lady who called us “deplorables”. But to you, those are cries for unity. They yell in pain even as they strike us. Nice doublespeak, that.
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Nepperhan
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If you examine the context and the exact quotes of each phrase, you will see that they were far less insulting than Republicans would have us believe. However, they are repeated as if they prove something while the GOP explains away the serial nastiness and racial insensitvity of many of Trump’s remarks.
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Zzyzx_Road
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They were cries for unity with their own brand of nastiness coming up behind it. Crying in pain even as they strike us.
Message received.
Go read what they recommend. There is no need to extrapolate.
Here.
OTOH, extrapolated and unverified negative claims about Trump’s intentions are all over the dishonest DNC media, and from a recent post of your.
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Nepperhan
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OK, and I’ll quote someone from Qanon and call it the Republican platform.
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The fact that you consider BLM in a category with QAnon is encouraging. The difference, other than the overt violence of BLM, is I’ve not equated BLM was the Democrat platform.JonNC:
OK, and I’ll quote someone from Qanon and call it the Republican platform.
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Nepperhan
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Actually, you sorta did. As to Trump’s talk about the split in the nation at Mt. Rushmore and some alleged left-wing conspiracy you morphed into a diatribe about BLM.
I used an example. The more radical elements of BLM and Antifa are exactly who Trump singled out as trying to divide and destroy the nation. White supremacists do the same.
And we should unify together against forces and groups that intend to undermine our constitutional representative republic.
I consider that unifying.
True.
But it really turns out to be a demonstration in people not thinking for themselves and instead turning themselves over to whatever the media tells them to think.
We can’t post the speech. That would require independent thought. Here’s an article telling you what to think about it instead.
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