Trump's incompetence makes Andrew Cuomo's performance look better than it is

[CilladeRoma]

I live in Western NY State.
I work for a skilled nursing facility.
His mandates to us to take hospital patients cost lives. Period.
He says that all we had to do was call the DOH and say we couldn’t handle the situation ir needed help. What he didnt say was they were no help, and basically told us to deal with it or lose funding.
Amd when you lose Medicare as a payer source, you go out of business and the people lose care givers.
I coould go on and on about how Cuomo has hurt NYS, but since most peole perceive NY as anything south of Albany, no one listens to us upstaters.

 

[ProVobis]

What are your criteria for doing well vs doing badly (aside from having Trump as president)?

Being 131 out of 140 is nothing to brag about for a country that’s supposed to be the most powerful.

 

[dvdjs]

I like my own state’s response …

I like mine as well. We had some early outbreaks, but had the great advantage of having our first cases after we had a pretty clear idea of where this could go. We closed schools, had university students stay at home after spring break, then went into “lockdown”. The caseload began to drop. After a full week of having only a few new cases/day - less than 5% of peak, we began a gradual re-opening, with continuing physical distancing regulations and a mandatory quarantine for travelers. We are one of the least impacted places in the nation, and are trying to keep it that way.

 

[F_Marturana]

Their families do.

The first New York death didn’t occur until March.

A few days later they hit over 400. The shut downs started early March. Beginning with the nursing homes.

New York is a large city but very densely populated. People commute from the suburbs, into Manhattan. The suburbs in NY consist of multiple counties in New York State, also parts of Connecticut, and New Jersey.

The airports, saw European travelers returning. College students flew in and were not screened for Coronavirus.

 

[Maximus1]

Comparing states and Cities, you are not comparing the same thing. Florida for example has no mass transit to speak of. NYC mores millions on crowded trains and busses daily. NYC is an international flight hub. The Italian and European international flights of Covid infected landed in NYC.
NYC does not stand for failure or incompetence. So their assessment of Cuomo is revealing

 

[ProVobis]

ew York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachussettes, Pennsylvania, Michigan
and Illinois. Add up the number of deaths in those 7 states.

Europe was the hotspot - Italy, Spain, U.K. and France.

Yes but for proper comparison you would have to take away the districts in London, Paris, Rome, and so forth.

 

[new-kirishitan]

Both of them are quite incompetent. But the biggest problem is that the ordinary people aren’t competent. Even if the leaders are stupid, if the ordinary people had common sense then the situation would still be far better off.

I still remember the time when the US government was urging all US citizens residing in Japan to leave the country and go back to the US, citing that an explosion of coronavirus cases is going to happen here. Indeed, the US was in an ADVANTAGED position when the pandemic started. It’s the world’s 3rd largest country with a VERY LOW population density. Also, Americans typically don’t like places that are packed with people and rather prefer to stay home or do outdoor activities on weekends. The US government also closed the border fairly quickly.

On the other hand, Japan is a DENSELY populated country with HALF of its population living around its 2 largest cities – Tokyo and Osaka. Most people in these areas commuted on CROWDED trains to work every day and like to hang out in places packed with people, like restaurants and karaoke parlors. The Japanese government, in particular, responded TERRIBLY. It was extremely hesitant to close its border, fearing it may damage the relationship with China and jeopardize the Olympic games. In addition, the Japanese law does NOT allow the government to put cities in lockdown. Everything was looking unfavorably for Japan.

Despite all these, Japan has successfully contained and controlled the pandemic, thanks to the EXTREME self-discipline and awareness of hygiene practiced by the Japanese people. Even though without the lockdown, most Japanese people VOLUNTARILY practiced social distancing and limited their outdoor trips. Most companies also did their best to let the employees work from home. And even before the outbreak, many Japanese people would wear masks during flu and pollen seasons when they leave their homes. Due to all these efforts, Japan’s daily new cases never exceeded 900, and now it’s down to 52, despite having 126 million people living in a country smaller than California.

Therefore, I think it is far more important for average people to be competent, and I have to say I’m not very optimistic about the situation with coronavirus in America, especially with so many people there believe it’s a government propaganda and it doesn’t exist.

 

[dvdjs]

Florida for example

is deliberately undercounting its deatsd.

 

[7_Sorrows]

7_Sorrows:

Like the other poster said, what criteria is being used?

Asked and answered.

Why did Colorado lower the number of deaths today by 20%?

Can you supply a trend line of deaths in CO? It is important to have the data before one talks of possible reasons.

Or you can google the news story and find out why they lowered the number of deaths.

I did not see the answer to criteria used. @dvdjs

 

[7_Sorrows]

Their families do.

The first New York death didn’t occur until March.

A few days later they hit over 400. The shut downs started early March. Beginning with the nursing homes.

New York is a large city but very densely populated. People commute from the suburbs, into Manhattan. The suburbs in NY consist of multiple counties in New York State, also parts of Connecticut, and New Jersey.

The airports, saw European travelers returning. College students flew in and were not screened for Coronavirus.

People were no doubt getting sick in February. Why were subways and busses nor
shut down?

There could have been deaths from covid-19 in February, but were not being
attributed to covid-19.

 

[7_Sorrows]

7_Sorrows:

ew York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachussettes, Pennsylvania, Michigan
and Illinois. Add up the number of deaths in those 7 states.

Europe was the hotspot - Italy, Spain, U.K. and France.

Yes but for proper comparison you would have to take away the districts in London, Paris, Rome, and so forth.

Why would you need to do that?

 

[dvdjs]

I did not see the answer to criteria used. @dvdjs

You not only saw it, you quoted it.

 

[7_Sorrows]

7_Sorrows:

I did not see the answer to criteria used. @dvdjs

You not only saw it, you quoted it.

Which post was it then? I subscribe to many threads in many different forums - not just World News. I write many posts a day. I don’t have a photographic memory of each thread and the replies.

I don’t remember seeing any criteria. If there was a link, I might not have opened it
due to time or it being late.

 

[ProVobis]

You don’t but it wasn’t my idea of comparing a partial country against an entire other country in death rates.

But if you want to select certain portions of the U.S. to highlight, then let me select certain portions of, say England, to highlight. Then we can compare.

 

[7_Sorrows]

You don’t but it wasn’t my idea of comparing a partial country against an entire other country in death rates.

I only mentioned those 7 states because they make up for over half the total number of deaths in the U.S. I wasn’t comparing those 7 states with other countries.

The other countries I mentioned in Europe had high death tolls.

 

[dvdjs]

Post #79 …

 

[pnewton]

Comparing states and Cities, you are not comparing the same thing.

Check the title of the thread. The whole thread is a much less equitable comparison. But New York City is not the only urban center. In fact, the closes other comparisons would be California and Texas, both of which did much better, with three cities in the top ten in population.

The point is, if we are going to measure success, results are better than polls.

 

[pnewton]

Maximus1:

Florida for example

is deliberately undercounting its deatsd.

Data can surely be challenged, but no one here should accept such a blind, unsubstantiated challenge. Data is our only way to evaluate success and failure so that we can improve our response as we go forward. Dismissing data without a very good reason may be presidential, but it is not scientific.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Death rates have been adjusted down by 260 .These deaths were not cCovid casualties and the proverbial s@#$- it gong to hit the fan because this probably has been going on elsewhere. Stay tuned

 

[dvdjs]

Data can surely be challenged, but no one here should accept such a blind, unsubstantiated challenge.

Happy to provide links again.

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